At some stages of the healing journey, particularly the early stages, it can be really helpful to find a sense of community among others who share the same struggles as you. It can be validating to hear that others experience things that are similar to your experiences, and it can be a great thing to have encouragement from people who really understand how even the ordinary things can be that much harder when you’re working around a diagnosis.
But it is to our own benefit to remember that the survivor community is only the first stop on our healing journey. It is not the end point, and there does come a point at which it stops being a help to us in any way.
The survivor community is a stagnant place – and as a member of that community, you will never really be challenged to choose healing over stagnation. You might get a few small challenges along the way if you exhibit some extreme of defeatist thinking, but very rarely will anyone even try to push you to look at yourself honestly, or ask you the really hard questions about your behaviors or your beliefs, or whether what you’re doing really supports your stated intention of healing.
And the reason this happens so rarely is, that the community will leap to the defense of anyone who is thus challenged, responding with outrage to the suggestion that anything a survivor does might be wrong or bad, or that a survivor’s responses might be skewed by their own trauma-created perceptions and therefore not accurate to the situation at hand.
In the survivor community, it is the person who issues the challenge who ends up being wrong. It doesn’t matter how appropriate or necessary or correct the challenge is – the community will band together against anyone who dares to suggest that anything another survivor does is anything less than perfectly acceptable.
The survivor community will actively defend your right to be sick with its last dying breath, and they will defend your right to be sick with equal fervor, whether you’ve been “working on healing” for a month or for a decade. They will defend a survivor’s right to be unchallenged in whatever sick thing they’re doing, to a degree that is sickening – but then, it is actually reasonable to expect a sick response from a sick community. The thing is, to not forget that the people in the survivor community are sick, and many of them have every intention of staying that way.
So what if you’re one of the rare few who actually hopes to move beyond being a card-carrying member of the dysfunctional brigade?
Then you’re going to have to think for yourself, and you’re going to have to find the necessary drive and incentive within yourself.
Your “friends” won’t be able to help you – they’re much more likely to want to keep you right there where they are, and it can feel like disloyalty to even think of outgrowing them.
But if they were really friends, wouldn’t they support you even if you were further along than they? Wouldn’t they respect you for accomplishing what they also hope to accomplish? Wouldn’t they want you to succeed, and then take encouragement from your progress and your success, as evidence that they can do it too?
Do you ever ask yourself why so few survivors offer this kind of leadership to each other?
Your friends may very well not support you or encourage you. But that doesn’t make you wrong for wanting more for yourself than they want, for themselves or for you. Regardless of what your “friends” are doing, it should not stand in the way of your own journey away from sickness and toward health.
And the “community leaders” won’t be able to help your healing either, because in case you haven’t noticed, they aren’t doing much healing themselves. We can’t look to them to show us where we can go or how to get there, because they’re not going anywhere.
The survivor community offers a cocooning protection for those who are just learning to recognize their dissociation, or just getting to know their dissociative systems – and in the earliest stages of healing, we really can benefit from the safety and nurturing of that cocoon – but a caterpillar who stays in the cocoon too long will smother and die in there.
We have to be ready and willing to leave our cocoon behind too, or we too will smother and die.
It may mean leaving behind the “friends” and “leaders” who have no real desire to accomplish what you’re striving for, and who won’t support you in doing it because it only highlights the fact that they’re not doing it.
It may feel selfish and disloyal, and you may be accused of being these things and more and worse in the process.
But despite this, you need to think for yourself and listen to yourself, ahead of anyone else, and you need to do what’s right for your healing even if nobody else is doing it.
Part of being healthier is understanding and respecting your own needs and finding ways to meet them even when that means not doing what other people are doing, or not doing what other people want you to do – and even when you care about the people who are telling you to do something different. Compromise should never mean self-abandonment for either side – and if your friends really care about you, then your health should be just as important to them as it is to you.
So when you begin to feel a need to move away from sickness and sick people and sick behaviors and people telling each other how okay it is to be sick – or if you ever heal enough to feel that need – don’t squash it out of a misguided sense of loyalty to, or an over-developed identity in, the survivor community.
If you’ve progressed far enough to feel like you’re ready to move on, then the community has offered you everything it has to give. Get out while the getting’s good! And take anyone who will come with you – but don’t let anyone hold you back.
Healing is a forward journey – so keep on moving.
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Hi, sorry for the delay in posting this comment. This is an important topic near and dear to my heart. I agree pretty much with everything you’re saying, but I don’t believe the DID or wider child abuse survivor communities have a lock on this kind of behavior.
Long before I joined those communities — figuratively and literally — I was active in both Overeaters Anonymous and later a weekly women’s “self esteem” group therapy. In both cases, they helped me profoundly in the beginning, then they got “comfortable”, then I began noticing that the most dysfunctional person always got the floor, then realized we were enabling the person by assuring them that they could just talk about their problems forever. On and on.
When I decided to leave both OA and the group therapy, in both cases, I was pronounced to be “self-sabotaging” and “sick” by leaving, with utterly smug predictions that I’d be back in a few weeks. The group therapist even participated in these comments! It was dismaying and shocking to be attacked like that. I never returned.
These two cases follow very well what you describe in the DID community. I have no idea what DID groups and/or leaders you are referring to but I think what we’ve both observed is really a classic case study in group dynamics. On a bell curve, you’d have a few who willfully stay stuck, a few who eventually leave because they are being stifled by the status quo, and the vast majority who probably flow back and forth between the two extremes.
I also saw this cycle while heading the Survivors Forum on CompuServe in the ’90s. It’s a very complex and delicate balance to provide a safe nurturing environment for people who have little or no trust that also tries to nudge people toward better health — and without coming off as part of their therapy team. It became very personally costly to me when my integration began falling apart after my father died. I felt — so ironically — that I could not obtain support in the Forum I founded because every day people were saying things like, “You’re the only thing that gives me hope that I can integrate (or become co-conscious) (or get better).” On that bell curve, most people are fluctuating between hope and despair on any given day, and it’s very fragile. After years of trying to infuse hope to just keep working at healing, I refused to be the one providing a reason for them to give up their efforts.
Eventually, I handed the Forum to my number two person, and pretty much went offline for five years to work on my own stuff. Because I’ve “been there” I try to give people in DID leadership roles a tremendous benefit of any doubt in terms of the role they play in other peoples’ healing efforts. But I don’t actively participate in any formal DID groups, for exactly the reasons you outlined. And, for exactly the group dynamics I’ve experienced so many times. That I can’t “fix it” was one of my hardest lessons in that five years offline.
So while I do agree with much of your assessment, I wanted to offer you a different perspective — not as an apologist for DID leadership, but as evidence of just how complex it all is.
You are a strong advocate for people being proactive in their own healing. I’m right there with you. I’m also a strong advocate for people paying it forward when in a position to do so. People at the beginning of their journey need support, and need to know they don’t have to reinvent the wheel to grow their healing. How can people further along do that — and reach more people — other than by creating yet another group going through the same dynamics? We both blog. Is that enough? What other ways could, say, bloggers join forces to create some pay it forward synergy? What else can non-bloggers do?
Thank you for letting me ruminate in your space.
Sarah
Comment by Sarah Olson — June 14, 2010 @ 12:22 pm
Hi Sarah –
I was hoping you would have a chance to come write a comment here, and I’m glad you did – thanks.
I agree with 99% of what you said – actually, I suppose I agree with all of it, so instead of being able to have a discussion, I’m just nodding along and occasionally saying “yeah, what she said!”
It really is a perfect example of exactly what I’m talking about – that at a certain point, you had to leave the community to progress, and work on your stuff – because at that point, the community itself had become part of the problem for you. That is the point of realization that I think a lot of people miss when it comes, or stifle because it feels ‘selfish’ – or they just never get there.
I think the very fact that you yourself had done enough healing to be an example to anyone else before you started your group, kind of sets your group apart a bit, though – and maybe protected you from getting more bogged down than you did.
Imagine if you had started your group while you were just starting your own healing, or while you were still fairly new to the process, instead of being so far along the way as you were? I think that would have changed what you were able to do for yourself – as well as what you could possibly have represented to anyone else.
I think too many people just end up being “leaders” because they talk a lot, or because they’re able to appear authoritative – not because they’ve actually done anything to earn the role. Most of them haven’t.
This response is a bit more abrupt than I wanted it to be – sorry about that! – but I kept going off on these long tangents that really didn’t need to be here… lol
In any event, I sincerely appreciate your perspective, and you are free to ruminate in this space any time you like.
Comment by RockerGirl — June 14, 2010 @ 4:52 pm
Good post and comments.
I feel it is the same with all groups. Reputation my help a group carry on through the down times. I will use MIT as an example. They turned out rubbish engineers for a long time and now they are back to doing good work.
I am part of a group that swims. We really just gab. It was fun. It has run its course. I was par of an environmental group. We did a lot of good. The group when through a stage where they were taken over by the suppliers and not they are pretty much part of the state.
So I think it can be in part where you are at and in part where the group is at. It would be nice to have things dependable. The reality is that would just mean it would be easier to know when to leave.
Towns and neighborhoods are the same way. A town can be a great place and then terrible.
Perhaps it is a matter of knowing when to get in and when to get out with as little energy as possible.
Comment by MFF — June 14, 2010 @ 6:29 pm
hey Michael –
That’s a good point. Groups can run their course as an entity, separate from the individuals who make up the group. I’ve seen that in several different situations too. A group will be really vital and alive and then suddenly just… be done. Whatever it is, that synergy that binds a group together, it can end, even if not all the people who attend the group want it to end. I think sometimes it can happen even if everyone is doing pretty much the same thing they were doing before. Sometimes even just one person drawing away a little bit, finding a different interest, having different life events pull on their time differently — can change everything.
I’m playing around in my mind with different ways this idea does / doesn’t fit in with what I’ve said already — how it confirms or changes things.
I find all this stuff really interesting, even just as a general study / discussion about dynamics (apart from the specifics of the survivor community in particular).
Knowing when to get in / out too is a really interesting point.
And I suppose the same group, at different stages, might be perceived differently by people with different needs… by which I mean, that maybe even if it loses what made it vital to you, it might be moving into something that would feel vital to me…
which only complicates it further.
I continue to believe that the survivor community has a lot to offer people who are new to the process… but I continue to worry that what is good about it is so inextricably entwined with what is sick about it… and newcomers are taking in the sickness with the good, without even realizing it, and before they have any chance of being able to protect themselves from its effects.
I don’t know, I guess I tend to see this particular group (the survivor community) as different, even in its similarity to the dynamics that govern any other group, because the people who come to this group are really are so profoundly in need of something good, something positive, something supportive in their lives… but the survivor community gives with the hand you see and takes away with the hand you don’t… and I wish there was a better option.
But then, when I think about where I started off, where so many of us start off… I don’t know what kind of option that would be.
So as you said, the trick is probably just in people knowing when it’s time to move on.
Comment by RockerGirl — June 15, 2010 @ 2:35 pm
I understand what you’re talking about. There are quite a few communities where I’ve seen this happen and it makes me really sad.
I don’t think its the same with ALL places though. I know that for one, I’ve made sure that the forum I run is not this way. At my forum people are challenged and challenges are supported by others on the forum. Thinking processes, victim mentality, all the “woe-is-me” type things are encouraged to change. Its not okay to be sick or to allow yourself to remain a victim. You’re expected to do something about your situation. As a community we support one another in changing for the better. I am hoping that those characteristics don’t make my forum and my websites unique.
Comment by pilgrimchild — June 17, 2010 @ 1:13 pm
I do not know what would have happened if it were not for the internet including the survivor groups.
How else could I find out about MKULTRA and Satanic and Witchcraft cults?
Now the information on the internet is very sketchy at best. Then again the information I got and get from college classes is sketchy at best.
One thing that is great about the survivor groups is that you can come and go.
For me much of the information that I get points our my uniqueness and the uniqueness of others. They many many different types of trauma, the onset, the duration what the effects were and are.
I understood that I was traumatized 7 years ago. The changes and progress in the understanding of trauma is huge. Well it is for some. I think that this has much to do with the sharing on the internet.
I see a danger in conforming to what is generally assumed about trauma even if it is not true for the person. I struggled a lot with being outside what is known about trauma. I will use startled response as a example. I have a startled response. I do not get frightened at all. The opposite. I am totally ready for what ever happens. Now that I know my training this makes all the sense in the world. Had I not had the experiences of other startled response I do no know if I could have figured it out.
One thing we all share is the work is hard, we never should have to do it and it is hard to find a way to do the work.
Comment by MFF — June 21, 2010 @ 6:16 pm
at the forum i am a staff member at, we do challenge members and there is no backlash from other members, only appreciation people are brave enough to tell it how they see it, with no enabling.
there are many, many forums out there, where survivors really do sit there and expect everyone to fluff their pillows and say “its ok”, to every single negative behaviour they do.
im am very lucky to have found and been firstly a member, and now staff member of a survivor community for 10 years, which has helped in greatly, cause, i was pushed from sitting in my own shit.
Comment by brinarebel — July 12, 2010 @ 11:17 pm
Hi, I’m just finding your blog & am happy to read your posts. I have been unable to find survivor groups that push members to a higher level of functioning. Anyone have referrals to any groups?
Comment by Jeanette Bartha — November 7, 2010 @ 9:46 pm