[Note: This is a long one, but I won’t be posting next week, so I thought I might as well post something now that will last through my absence. Enjoy!]
This week, I’ve picked up my very own hater! (Please see the comments to this post if you’ve missed the excitement.)
It seems kind of ridiculous – who am I, that anyone would even bother doing the hater bit with me? But someone has! So this seems like a good time to revisit the subject of haters, and how to spot them online on the occasions when they’re a little less obvious than the one here on my blog.
The internet is a brave new world for haters. It used to be that haters were limited by being identifiable. In order to spread their poison, they had to communicate it directly, by telephone or in-person conversations – and the risk always existed that what they said would be traced back to them. Their words could be directly connected with their face and their name, and they might end up being held accountable for anything they said.
With the advent of the internet, however, all of that has changed. People can hide behind screen names, announce their identities or not, claim to be someone they are not, present themselves as several different people – the possibilities for deception are virtually endless.
Further, the anonymity of the internet has made accountability pretty much a moot point. On occasion, a hater’s poison can be traced directly to them, but it’s rare. When Kelly (Secret Shadows) admitted, in a momentary fit of conscience, to posting three viciously hateful comments about her adjunct therapist under three different names on a public website, that tied those comments directly to her – but most haters do not have those kinds of moments. They thrive on the fact that, even if people know who they are, it can’t be proven, and they are careful not to provide that concrete proof. As a result, they are free to say whatever scurrilous nonsense they choose, secure in the knowledge that there is not likely to be any accountability for it whatsoever.
This being the case, it is necessary for each of us have our own common-sense defense in place as we surf the web – and part of that defense is knowing how to recognize a hate campaign when we see one. Here are some tips on what to look for.
1. Haters run in packs.
Any time you see a flock of people “coincidentally” descending on the same place at the same time, all repeating the same negative message, odds are that they are haters.
Haters never stick their necks out all alone. Individual people with personal gripes post single comments, as their individual spirit moves them. With haters, what you see is post after post after post written by what appears to be a veritable crowd of different people. They will claim they don’t know each other, or that they knew each other “way back when” but they haven’t spoken for years – and yet, by the magic of fate, with no coordination whatsoever, they all just decided to come to the same place at the same time to write the same nasty message about the same subject.
Well – I’m sure we can all see what bullshit that is.
Of course the haters know each other. They have their own places where they congregate, bonding in their negativity and coordinating their more public hate campaigns, and when they head out to the public arena, they do it in concert.
Haters also tend to enlist backup singers – people who aren’t actually part of the hate campaign but who don’t know any better than to support it. The backup singers don’t usually understand the real issue with the target – likely they’ve been fed the same lies that the haters are about to make public. But they don’t have to know the truth, because the only purpose of the backup singers is to sing the praises of the haters – their honesty, their victim status, what an all-around wonderful person they are, and how we should believe every terrible thing the haters say about their target because haters are just that trustworthy.
Normal people venting about real issues do not have backup singers. But haters almost always do.
The backup singers will also claim to have just happened to find the hate campaign. Like the haters themselves, they never admit to being part of a coordinated effort – but really, how many people can be involved in something before the “it’s all coincidence” story loses its last shred of credibility? I top the limit at four – because four people can’t even manage to meet at a restaurant for dinner without some serious coordination and planning – so the idea that all these haters and their backup singers just happened to get together is just plain ridiculous.
The pack is never as large as it appears, though – it is usually a relatively small group of people posting multiple times under different names in an attempt to appear substantially more numerous than they are.
The goal is to accomplish through numbers what they can’t accomplish through logic or evidence – that is, if ten people repeat the same gossip or tell the same lie, then maybe people will be impressed by the volume and forget about the fact that there is no concrete proof to back up whatever they’re saying. Concrete proof is never part of a hater’s arsenal, because the things they’re saying are never true.
2. Haters are self-referencing.
Haters generally run their hate campaigns in places that have no direct connection to them. For example, Secret Shadows and the others involved in that hate campaign didn’t post their comments in her blog, which everyone knew was hers and where accountability might be an issue – instead, they all went to post at the same random review site under anonymous names (further decreasing the likelihood that any of it happened by happenstance).
But in lieu of actual proof to back up what they’re saying, haters might offer a reference to another group or blog or site, constructed by themselves, where the intrepid surfer can view more examples of the same message being espoused. Of course, this is still not concrete proof – but it is another site broadcasting the same message, and sometimes readers fail to realize that it’s just the same people saying the same things.
What the haters don’t offer (because they can’t offer it) is anything concrete that readers could check out themselves for independent verification. Haters can’t use facts, because facts will never support what they’re saying – so instead, they try to create such a volume of crap that it overwhelms the facts. They want people to assume that, because the same message is said so strongly so many times in so many different places, then it must be true.
But this is a false conclusion – no matter how often a lie is repeated, or in how many different places, it is still a lie.
3. Haters get personal.
Also in lieu of proof, haters take things to a personal level immediately – their approach is never about a person doing a bad thing, it’s always an attempt at character assassination.
Why do they do this?
Well, the first reason they do it is that everyone loves drama. When things get juicy and the gossip and accusations start to fly, do readers even care who’s telling the truth? Or are they just enthralled by the spectacle of watching people zing each other?
The point of a hate campaign is always to distract and discredit, and making things personal is the best means to the end – haters distract from what the target is saying or doing by taking the focus of the discussion straight into the spicy heat of personal confrontation, and they discredit the target by attacking them on a personal level and hoping that some of the shit they throw will stick.
Hate campaigns attract attention, and the haters want the attention focused on them, on what they’re saying, on what they want other people to think about the person they’re attacking.
The other reason that haters get personal is that the personal level is the emotional level.
Haters use rhetoric geared toward provoking an emotional response – both from the target and from the spectators. They use loaded words and catchphrases intended simultaneously to demoralize the target and to turn the reading audience against them – hoping that, with emotions provoked and engaged, nobody will actually think about the messages enough to notice that they have no substance.
Does this sound like any other situation with which dissociative survivors are familiar?
Who else tries to hook people through their emotional responses in order to slip their messages past common sense and rational thought?
Programmers do. Manipulators do. Liars do.
And that’s really what haters are – they are manipulators, trying to manipulate you, the reading public, into swallowing their poisonous hatred and to turn you against their target.
But instead of blindly believing them, it is worthwhile to ask yourself why it’s so important to them to discredit their target. Why did they choose that particular target for destruction? What does that person or group or cause represent to them?
Thinking about it from that perspective can throw a whole new light on a hate campaign.
4. Haters have no point except hate.
Haters have plenty to say – but what prompted them to say it? Why did three, or ten, or fifty people suddenly show up at the same place to talk smack about someone?
Why did even one person show up here trying to insult my character?
The world may never know…
They’re not going to explain themselves. There will be no A=B, cause-and-effect connection that can be made. The real reasons behind the haters’ actions, whatever they are, will never even be hinted at in the slew of negativity that makes it into public view, because haters really aren’t there to explain themselves to us.
Their goal is to cause as much damage as they can to the public perception of a specific person, group, or cause – nothing less, nothing more – and their goal is not going to be furthered by explaining themselves, because if you knew the real motivations behind what they were saying, you would probably think twice about listening to them.
If you knew that hate campaigns were being engineered by predators, to discredit the sources of information available to us so that we are more likely to stay their victims – would you be as likely to believe what they said?
If you knew that a hate campaign was part of a borderline revenge tactic best defined as “I imagined that you hit me, so I’m hitting you back ten times as hard”… would you still consider it to be valid? Would you still want to support it?
Probably not – because you’d feel pretty stupid believing or supporting the haters if you knew that’s where they were coming from, right?
So we need to ask ourselves why it’s so important to these people that we hate their target with them, because the haters will certainly never tell you – they’ll just show up, start the blitz, and hope that nobody remembers to ask.
5. Haters never let go.
We’ve all been angry or suffered hurt feelings in the course of our lives – but how long do these feelings normally last?
Assuming that we’re not talking about our feelings toward perpetrators, and that we have enough self-awareness to separate those feelings from the feelings that are evoked by other events – how long do the feelings last?
How long do we wish we could exact revenge on a person who made us angry? How long do we want to hurt back in response to feeling hurt? How long do we have to keep venting about something before the emotions wane and it’s just not that important any more?
In short, how long does it take before we get over it?
We might continue to feel some emotional response for a while, but the kind of emotional intensity that drives us to do something about it is a much shorter-lived phenomenon… unless you’re a hater.
Haters go after their targets like rabid dogs. They don’t get over things and move on – because in truth, whatever natural emotion they might have felt regarding their target (assuming they ever had anything that might be called a reason for their feelings) has long since been subsumed in a soupy morass of bitterness and resentment and desire for destruction that has nothing to do with the target and everything to do with the individuals themselves.
And this is why, although people with normal and genuine complaints or reactions are generally satisfied with one public statement of their feelings (and many never feel the need to make a public statement at all), a hater just never runs dry. Haters spew their venom over and over and over – not just for the few days when an emotional reaction might be expected to remain intense, but for months, or even years, long past the time when anything natural or reasonable could possibly be driving them.
So what is driving them??
There’s that question again – and it’s the most important question to ask yourself when you see a hate campaign in progress – why does it matter so much to them? Why are they putting in the time and the effort to seek someone out and beat on them over and over and over? Why do they keep showing up to grind the same old axe?
WHAT, EXACTLY, ARE THEY TRYING TO DESTROY BY CLUBBING US ALL INTO SUBMISSION WITH THEIR HATEFULNESS, AND WHY ARE THEY TRYING TO DESTROY IT???
And what would it cost us if we let it work?
We might not be able to answer those questions – I know that I certainly have no answers, even with regard to myself. Why do I merit a hater? I have no clue – but clearly someone thinks I’m worth the time and the effort. So I guess I must be saying something that someone doesn’t want said.
So… think about it.
There’s not much we can do to stop the haters right now – the law is a long way from catching up to the speed with which the internet is growing. No doubt, in future decades, the anonymity factor will be removed – precisely because of these kinds of abuses – but it hasn’t happened yet, so right now the haters are running amok.
But even if the law can’t stop them, we can – because it’s our belief they’re after. It’s us that they’re trying to manipulate. And it’s up to each of us to decide how much credence we’re going to give the haters.
Do we believe their lies? Buy into their messages? Follow where they lead?
Or can we hold on to our common sense – step back from the dramatic intensity of the fracas, consider what they’re trying to accomplish – and wonder why?
I really hesitate to comment here and give you anymore satisfaction, but I think one only needs to look at your blog and mine to see who the hater really is. (http://secretshadows.wordpress.com)
As for the therapist rating site, I took three of my comments off because the site and the bickering was unbelievable, and I tried to be the mature one and stop it. I attempted to withdraw my involvement with it for that reason and that reason only. The only reason I had multiple reviews was because I was being attacked on the site, and foolishly got caught up in defending myself. What was supposed to be a reputable, honest review turned into backstabbing, name calling, idiocy. I never wanted to argue. I only wanted to share my thoughts and experience which I am free to do.
You are really not helping Kathy with your blog. Having a blog with such hatefulness and bitterness linked on her site in the blog roll does not help. You’d think you conduct yourself in a more appropriate manner on her behalf, but apparently she hasn’t taught you any better over the years.
I will not be back to your site. It’s ridiculous, and I really don’t care what you write anymore. You can’t rant to your own self.
Secret Shadows
Comment by secretshadows — September 3, 2009 @ 5:05 pm
I read all these comments here and all I can do is chuckle….
I suppose I could go on how people dont need to follow what
others say and just check these facts for themselves..but that
would be pointless. If people choose to give their own decision
making powers over to whomever asks for them….they get what
they deserve…..
It would be cool if they could take a minute, step aside and
look at the way they come across, ignorant.
Maybe ignorance really is bliss….
Seeing Secret Shadows here, I decided to go look at her blog.
My uneducated advice to Kelly is, if you were done wrong, this does not reflect
badly on you.
What does reflect badly on you, is the way you are behaving publicly.
Rocker Girl…you really do rock. Thank you for using your blog space
to talk about this. Peoples behavior really has been a great
“Exhibit A”
H~
Comment by juliewtf — September 3, 2009 @ 7:22 pm
Hello Kelly –
I see that you still have that issue with seeing your own problems in everyone but yourself — but let’s get clear on who’s really doing what, ok?
I’m not the one who sent a group of people to spam your blog with comments intended to be insulting. You’re the one doing that.
I’m not the one who spreads malicious gossip and lies the way a mushroom farmer spreads shit, but then whines and feels all kinds of wronged when I get called on it. You do that.
(And you confirmed it right here — thanks for that!)
I’m not the one who has driven away three therapists in two years because of my behavioral issues but still thinks it’s everyone else’s fault. You did that.
And I’m not the one who has to keep rewriting history to make my own actions tolerable to myself. That too would be you.
You can come here as often as you like with as many people as you like, trying to pin your own failings and wrongdoings on me. That won’t make your problems mine.
Or you can fulfill your own dire threat and stay away…
But I doubt you will, even if you don’t comment, because you’re also the one who can’t let things go.
Fourteen months ago, someone committed the crime of letting you know that you weren’t as special or important to them as you wanted to be — and I furthered the crime by telling you that that wasn’t actually a crime at all.
You said back then that you were going away too. And yet, here you still are, still trying desperately to get attention…
… well, success! You’ve got my attention.
I guess getting attention isn’t always a good thing though, huh…
Comment by RockerGirl — September 8, 2009 @ 3:01 pm
Thanks H~
And I agree — people are certainly putting on a display, aren’t they??
It’s kind of funny… like they’re so busy trying to discredit me that they don’t realize they’re proving my point for me.
Ah… people…
Comment by RockerGirl — September 8, 2009 @ 3:09 pm
Man! I had no idea that ‘hating’ was such a huge trend in America. Yikes!
http://splashinthepacific.wordpress.com/2009/09/09/this-is-your-brain-on-radicalism/
Comment by PCL — September 9, 2009 @ 3:36 am
Things like haters and hate campaigns are only to be expected in the political arena, where the issues are so much larger than the individual politicians involved and so many other people feel like they have a stake in what those few people say or do.
This both is and is not a fair comparison to the kind of hate campaign I’m talking about here, the hate campaigns which are directed against individual “civilians” instead of politicians or political views.
It is a fair comparison because, in both cases, the hate campaign is more about what the targetted person represents than it is about the individual themselves. In both cases, a hate campaign is aimed at an individual as the tangible representative of a certain idea or a certain group that the haters wish to discredit and destroy.
It is not a fair comparison because in politics, most people understand that a hate campaign is really about attacking something abstract, even though it manifests by attacking an individual person — people understand that a blow at the person is a blow at the party and all the things the party stands for.
However, in an individual “civilian” hate campaign, people usually don’t realize that this same mechanism is still at work. Haters are still attacking a particular person because of what that person represents, but in a “civilian” hate campaign, people are less likely to see the larger issues involved, or even to consider whether there are any larger issues. They are more likely to believe it’s actually about the person being attacked, and they do not tend to go deeper and ask themselves why a hate campaign is being launched against that individual.
And that’s why I wrote a post about it.
Comment by RockerGirl — September 9, 2009 @ 9:42 am
Labeling someone a hater when they because they stand strongly opposed is, in and of itself, hateful; the ultimate expression of your #3, “Hater’s get personal”. You have set your own trap and defined your own self. Hmmmm, I guess that also means you fit your #2 by accidentally referencing yourself. No groups runs in larger packs than Liberals; you are the majority, so there is #1; you are batting a thousand. I see no point to your areticle other than hate so now you have knocked down #4. I also have a really strong feeling that you will not let this go, but only time will tell if you nail the quin-fecta.
The good news is you can escape. Join the battle for FREEDOM (a point far greater than hate) that is personal to so many American that have finally decided they had better band together against Goliath and NEVER LET GO!! The battle lines have been drawn RockerGirl, but We, The People, did not draw them. A menacing, overreaching, ever growing federal government did.
It is not about hate; it is about FREEDOM:
http://splashinthepacific.wordpress.com/2009/09/13/the-battle-for-freedom-a-force-of-nature/
Comment by Splash — September 14, 2009 @ 6:35 am
Wow… okay…
Just to clarify — this blog isn’t even remotely about politics, nor is this post addressing any kind of political issue.
If you had actually read my blog before you started to foam at the mouth, you would probably have figured that out for yourself, but since you didn’t… I guess I have to restate the obvious.
Perhaps you could express your political passions at a blog where they would actually be relevant?
(Just FYI… you won’t be expressing them here any more… I’m obviously willing to approve whatever idiotic nonsense anyone wants to write, but the idiotic nonsense should be at least nominally responsive to the subject at hand. If you have anything even halfway intelligent to say about severe long-term abuse, ritual abuse, mind control, torture, or recovery from any of these, then comment away. If you want to talk politics, then you’re in the wrong place.)
Comment by RockerGirl — September 14, 2009 @ 11:32 am
I saw a Realtor sign today. “Borderline Reality” That started some pretty interesting scenarios in my head.
Comment by MFF — September 17, 2009 @ 6:27 pm
LOL — too many responses, I can’t pick one.
Comment by RockerGirl — September 17, 2009 @ 11:13 pm